Canoe Rodholder Challenge

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  Sara Sigel over 10 years ago

  This is a fun problem to solve! Start asking your questions, now...

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  Bar Danino over 10 years ago

  Is the picture on the right a cross-section of the edge of the canoe?

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  Sudeep Kumar over 10 years ago

  can you please post a pic or something ...........there is lot of confusion about it.......

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  Leandro Fernandes over 10 years ago

  First and foremost I do really hope you get the best results possible. However I have a question regarding the prizes, will you also cover the shipping costs of, well, sending the kayaks to the winners?

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  Fahad Rafi over 10 years ago

  i cant swim so the prize aint worth it.... ;)

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  Bar Danino over 10 years ago

  You could always sell it...

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  David Chen over 10 years ago

  very intesting

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  Abhijith over 10 years ago

  Could you describe more on how the kayak sides look where the rod holder is to be mounted...

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  Abhijith over 10 years ago

  you have given the dimension diagram but i cant figure out what part it is and where does it come....

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  abirshakil over 10 years ago

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  Shaman Jim over 10 years ago

  Never sure about the shipping on these kinds of items. But if you did win, (since they sell canoes anyway) perhaps Trapper could sell your canoe on your behalf and send you the difference minus a 5% sellers fee or something? I think that may be fair considering I live 5000+ Km away. ;)

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  MASA over 10 years ago

  need to know how many sizes it is suppose to accomodate , what are the dimension of these sizes an how it is suppose to be mounted?

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  Robin D over 10 years ago

  I need to know the distance between the top of the canoe border and the first obstacle that you encounter, for example the horizontal crossbeam(s).

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  celt over 10 years ago

  Please give a more elaborate specification. I've more or less finished a design but have a feeling I have misinterpreted dimensions.

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  thinkin3D over 10 years ago

  mcluka brings up a good point in his comments (fishing rod holder version 3). Is the goal here to use 100% eco friendly materials or is it satisfactory to use plastics and rubbers for machanisms that essentially require those types of materials to be used?

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  Morteza Mokhtari over 10 years ago

  I think this rod holder disturb dynamic of canoes when a big fish is caught in fish hook!
  do you are in agreement with me?!

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  Doug Davey over 10 years ago

  Is it practical that we design from outside of the USA. Are you going to ship a boat/kayaking to South Africa ..... if a South African was to win?

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  Matthew Stonebraker over 10 years ago

  Doug Davey has a great point. Every single one of the finalists from the recent GE challenge was from outside the USA, it seems pretty plausible to have international winners here too.

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  Doug Davey over 10 years ago

  OK ....... I see you have outlets in Austrlia so iiiiiiif I win I will have the Tahe Marine Fit 147 PE kayak sent to my son. BUT can anyone create a model of the Trapper Canoes or is there already a model somewgere?

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  Kamyar over 10 years ago

  This challenge seems to be 1st World country problem. Out of touch with the rest of the planet.

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  Francisco J. Erenas Rivas over 10 years ago

  How many people usually go fishing in a canoe?
  A person usually?
  Two people is the most common?
  Three .....?

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  celt over 10 years ago

  @Doug I've created a model for the canoe, it isn't 100% accurate although the profile for the canoe above is pretty close, It can be created by extruding profiles and then cutting body's. Add a few blends and everything's fine :)

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  michiel over 10 years ago

  Is it allowed to use PA6 or PE injection moulding?

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  michiel over 10 years ago

  What are the sizes of fishing rods? What is the force a fish can pull on the rod?

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  Kristo Klementi over 10 years ago

  Hello,

  Here are some answers to your questions about the challenge.

  Leandro Fernande
  Yes, Trapper will cover the transport costs to the dealer closest to you.

  Shaman Jim
  Tahe Outdoors has a dealer in Australia where you could receive your prize.

  Robin D
  The inner surface of the Canoe is smooth as shown on the drawing of the edge profile.

  thinkin3d
  Eco-friendly solutions are favoured. It is satisfactory to use plastics and rubbers where absolutely needed.

  Doug Davey
  Unfortunately Taheoutdoors does not have a dealer in Africa.

  fjrivas
  The canoes are made for 1 - 3 people, depending on the canoe.

  michiel
  Eco-fiendly solutions are favoured but we might consider usage of some injection moulded parts.

  If you have any more questions then please leave them here.
  Keep up the good work! We allready have some very interesting designs.

  Kristo Klementi
  Tahe Outdoors

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  Daniele Grandi over 10 years ago

  What are the units of the dimensions in the drawing? mm?

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  Kristo Klementi over 10 years ago

  Yes, the dimensions are in mm.

  Kristo Klementi
  Tahe Outdoors

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  Sara Sigel over 10 years ago

  68 entries so far. It's really incredible to see all these creative solutions!

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  Martin Fouché over 10 years ago

  FOR KRISTO KLEMENTV

  What happens if your TOP 5 winners are from South Africa? Like Kristo Klementv said
  to Doug "Unfortunately Taheoutdoors does not have a de aler in Africa".

  How will the problem be solved? Kristo Klementi said to Leandro Fernande
  Yes, Trapper will cover the transport costs to the dealer closest to you.

  Well how will a winner from Africa receive there prizeV

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  Kristo Klementi over 10 years ago

  Hello M.G Fouche
  As i allready said before, Tahe Outdoors will cover the transport cost to the dealer closest to you.
  Further transport of the prize is up to the winner.
  Kristo Klementi
  Tahe Outdoors

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  Alexey over 10 years ago

  Just want to wish everyone GOOD LUCK!

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  Francisco J. Erenas Rivas over 10 years ago

  Very interesting, and had a good idea, but not to do with a canoe, if elected .... : (

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  Sara Sigel over 10 years ago

  Final hours! Get your entry in now to avoid the end of Challenge rush. Best of luck to all. Email me at sara@grabcad.com if you have any trouble.

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  e.g.oussama over 10 years ago

  can i add my desien now

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  Sara Sigel over 10 years ago

  @e.g.oussama The deadline is passed. Email me at sara@grabcad.com with questions. I'm sorry you missed this one, but there will be more opportunities! You can still upload your idea to your GrabCAD profile.

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  e.g.oussama over 10 years ago

  ok ...thank's sara

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  Andy Nicholson over 10 years ago

  will the finalists be announced or just the winners? and how are winners contacted? via personal email or by our grabcad accounts?

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  Andy Nicholson over 10 years ago

  So who are the finalists?

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  Luka B. over 10 years ago

  Classic, whenever I participated in any of these competitions, the reuslts were never shown on the day they should be.

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  Andy Nicholson over 10 years ago

  its now 2nd December and finalists haven't been announced

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  seghier khaled over 10 years ago

  but the submission closed on time

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  Andy Nicholson over 10 years ago

  'Winning designs will be chosen based on the rules and requirements. The Challenge ends on November 7, 2013 (11:59pm UTC). Finalists will be announced by November 30, 2013. Winners will be announced by December 7, 2013'

  there's only 4 more day until the winners are supposed to be announced, why hasn't anything been announced yet?

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  Ivo Alberti over 10 years ago

  Do not worry Andy ... so do win an American ... so spend less
  the delivery of the canoe ...

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  Andy Nicholson over 10 years ago

  you do realise Tahe Outdoors is based in Europe? Also they have the prizes sent from your nearest dealer, so if an American wins it'll be sent from America, if a European wins it'll be sent from a European dealer

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  seghier khaled over 10 years ago

  so ...?

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  Mateusz Czwakiel over 10 years ago

  So any information on the winners?

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  BP over 10 years ago

  Who would have believed canoes and fishing could be so full of suspense.

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  Andy Nicholson over 10 years ago

  winners been announced yet?

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  Jonny Patty over 10 years ago

  Hey, what's happening GrabCAD? Why the delay with selecting winners?

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  Ivo Alberti over 10 years ago

  They ended the canoes ...!

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  Sara Sigel over 10 years ago

  Finalists are announced! We apologize for the delay, winners will follow in about one week depending on the amount of feedback we see.
  ...
  For those new to the Challenge process, we release what we believe to be the top entries. They are listed in no particular order. Over the next week, participants are able to voice their support or concerns. We encourage everyone following to leave a comment with their favorite or letting us know if we left a great entry out of the mix. Don't think of this as a vote but more of a soft announcement. We want to connect with you on these concepts and that means more than having you submit entries it also means getting your feedback, too.

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  Luka B. over 10 years ago

  The winning designs are nice, but the rules have been changed a lot from the beginning of the competition and I am not a big fan of that. The main requirements were that the holder should be moveable in all directions, many of the chosen designs are static and can not be regulated in any way. You must have changed or deleted some of the beggining reuiqrements or you just simplified them. However I congratulate to the winning designs and wish the best. Regards.

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  Juan Callón over 10 years ago

  Congrats to the winners!!

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  robert sparks over 10 years ago

  Congratulations to the selected finalists! I am somewhat surprised with the results, as it seemed the most difficult part and clearly specified challenge was that the design is to be adjustable. A few of the selected winners do not seem to match the design specification. Best Regards

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  Sara Sigel over 10 years ago

  Comments are added for more clarity. @mcluka which designs do the best job of meeting the adjustable design requirement in your opinion?

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  Luka B. over 10 years ago

  for example: RodHolder clamp V2 , also every design I made was fully qualified and is following every single requirement, but it would be unfair to point out someone, I am just trying to say, that this competition hasn't been well constructed. As did also Robert Sparks say, some of the winning designs just don't meet the requirements that were given at the beginning. Rules should't be changed so drastically from those on the beginning of this competition. I guess every single designer or engineer here could design a simple static holder without any movements, but the main requirements were, that you should be able to place the holder at any specific angle, at this was the hardest thing to do - to make a good looking design and also have the functionality that would meet the requirements.

  I don't want to argue nor do I want to take the prize away from someone else, I just think that there are several other designs that were constructed way closer to the first given idea. This is just my opinion,

  I wish you the best,

  Regards,

  Luka

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  Jonny Patty over 10 years ago

  My joint favourites from finalists selected are ROD-REV by ivo.alberti & TRAPPER CANOE ROD HOLDER SYSTEM by andrea.garuti - these are good choices for 1st & 2nd. Great blend of design skill, novel ideas and in general both look like a product you'd want to buy. Well done to both.

  I really like nouamane's very clever concept, but it hasn't been developed into a low cost manufacturable product and may have a few problems (needs a catch to stop falling apart) and I feel the rod support is way to short... likely will mark the rod's cork/foam permanently due to bearing on edges & little distance between. Still it's a clever enough that it may still be deserving of a prize, however I think credit should be given where detail work / underlying issues (not to mention mastery of design for manufacture methods) have been addressed & completed.

  I don't feel the others shortlisted are not strong enough to be on there as finalists... in fact I'm very surprised.

  Another issue in general is material choice. I feel designers should have a holistic appreciation of materials they choose. Wood? Spec'ing just 'wood' or 'timber' is like spec'ing your fiance's engagement ring to be made from Carbon. e.g. To look at some extremes; Balsa or Teak, Spruce or Mahogany, Ash or Oak? Quite a spectrum in terms of; strength, hardness, durability in marine environment, dimensional stability in wet environment, ageing/drying required etc, BUT most importantly Sustainability - tropical hard woods are notorious for 'fiddled' sustainable management docs and anyone can see the deforestation issues that South America and Africa currently face (caused by Western demand) which suggest we should be avoiding tropical hardwoods where possible in order to be eco-friendly. So how are such designs rated for Eco credentials... when renderings suggest tropical hardwoods? At at the end of the product life, how will a knackered piece of wood be recycled? Into CO2 in the fire or into landfill?

  Also, take a close look at use of wood grain direction Vs geometry. Andrea's looks well considered for grain direction. Ivo's got 2 different grain directions rendered - may be a grain break out risk at the bridge part of the loop with either - nothing that couldn't be solved though (maybe 30, 45 or 60 degree grain direction to horiz?) Some other designs have more fundamental errors... grain rendered like it's moulded (like plywood) when design intent is from solid, and others have grain same direction as a tight rad on a structural leg, causing high stress concentration for no reason. Such engineering detail should be judged, otherwise it's more an art competition than an engineering competition.

  Will be interested to see retail price when winners hit market - many wood designs require skilled material selection & 3d machining with lots of setups - so very labour intensive! Andrea's maybe got the edge here - Andrea's product on a 2d CNC bed. That said, Ivo's is small, low piece part qty, little material used and really elegant. I can't separate 1st & 2nd :)

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  BP over 10 years ago

  I'll stand and voice my concerns with some of the finalists as well. Ignoring the adjustable angle requirement and then straight removing it from the description, without notice, is poor practice.

  "Did we leave anything amazing off the list?" - shameless plug, but I'll try.
  Look up "Rodholder Challenge Entry - Wood Composite v2". I can't seem to get the link to work in the comments.

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  Alexey over 10 years ago

  I'm surprised.
  Completely illogical choice.
  Wood will not work as clamp body. Wood will be damaged at such loads, all the more so, it is not possible to make a thread in wood.
  As for rodholders without clamp, it means, that canoe gunwale and rod holder should be make very accurately and be adjusted to each other. And should be take into account that gunwale has a curvature, and rodholder also should fit with this curvature and, that wood will change size when it wet. v
  ..

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  Branko Stokuca over 10 years ago

  So many great entries and yet only few of them are on the list. Such a shame.

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  Andy Nicholson over 10 years ago

  I'm sorry but I have to agree with the majority of the comments on here. Most of the finalists designs don't meet the initial brief of being adjustable in all directions. That was 1 of the hardest parts of the challenge, otherwise it would have just been a styling challenge. In addition to this at least 1 of the finalists designs would probably damage the surface of the hull when tightened. Lastly the design which uses a jigsaw type assembly, although really good idea, is flawed by the requirement for a straight section of hull for it to all slot together, but the basic form of a canoe is curved from front to back and therefore this bracket style is limited to where it can be positioned.

  With regards to @Alexey firstly different woods would easily be strong enough for most of these designs, early (and some current) workshop clamps and tools are made of wood and would have no problem withstanding the forces involved here. Secondly you can very easily make a screw thread in wood, again vices and clamps can be made of wood and these products require screw threads. and finally you say wood will change shape when wet, yes this is true, but by finishing with a strong varnish etc, this will go a long way to prevent this.

  If I was pushed to pick a favourite, it would be ROD REV by iv.alberti purely on styling. It's not adjustable in any way but since it was uploaded it became my favourite for aesthetics and it's simple installation/use.

  I'm annoyed at how flawed this challenge has been from delaying the release of finalists, to picking designs which in the most part didn't meet the brief. hopefully other challenges will be better managed

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  Alexey over 10 years ago

  @Andy
  Yes I agree about workshop clamps, but look at their design and look at rodholder designs, they are different.
  Wood is anisotropic and this mean, that needs very carefully choose a wood blocks before manufacturing a such part like clamp. In worst case clamp will be damaged at using.
  Yes, make thread in wood it is really very easy. But how long this thread will life?
  Can you protect wood thread from water?
  There are some strong woods like oak or ebony but we speak about product for mass production which will be made on CNC. I think it is too expensive use a hard kinds of wood.
  About wetting. Ok maybe they really can be covered with suitable varnish. And holes in parts also will be protected.

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  Sara Sigel over 10 years ago

  It sounds like everyone agrees that the winners should stick closer to the original adjustable at all angles requirement. I'll get this feedback to the jury and will ask them to look closer at whether the holder will harm the canoe.

  This is great feedback and is exactly what the finalist time is for, thanks! Now, it'd be great to see who you think should be included in the winner discussion who is not listed in the finalists. Who are we missing? It will help us ensure that the right entries are recognized.

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  John Vausch over 10 years ago

  Poorly designed contest in my opinion. There's a lot of good overlooked designs. Pretty surprised at the results. Two of the finalists aren't adjustable and two look like they would damage the hull of the vessel.

  The following three designs really stood out to me and should definitely be considered in the final: (Included names and entry name incase links don't work)

  Trapper Canoe Rod Holder
  @mateusz czwakiel - Trapper Canoe Rod Holder
  Rodholder Clamp V3 (Wood)
  @Flaviano Crespi - Rodholder Clamp V3 (Wood)
  Rod Holder Concept 6/concept 3 update:
  @Jonathan -Rod Holder Concept 6/concept 3 update

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  Alexey over 10 years ago

  I like Canoe Rod Holder by Bj
  Canoe Rod Holder
  Very simple and interesting design. I would choose this rod holder for calm fishing with the light float fishing rod.
  For other conditions I would choose my design .
  /

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  BP over 10 years ago

  I'll second that opinion for the Canoe Rodholder by BJ.
  It's a prime example of a design that followed the rules as originally stated. Easy to manufacture, low part counts, limited or no use of plastics, recyclable materials, fully adjustable.

  And while I'm at it, I'll plug my design again as well.
  https://grabcad.com/library/rodholder-challenge-entry-wood-composite-v2-v

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  BP over 10 years ago

  Rodholder Challenge Entry - Wood Composite v2

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  Andy Nicholson over 10 years ago

  Congrats to the winners. I'm sorry but I am bitter about the results. Firstly, the overall winning design is virtually the same as my own design, so why did I not even get a look in? I know designs in competitions are going to be similar but the winning design is virtually the same as mine from the way it attaches to the canoe to how the holder is adjustable. The only changes is, they've made it all from wood and added a little table and compartment add on. I'm not so annoyed that they've stolen my ideas, more annoyed that they on the whole thing and mine didn't even get mentioned, considering they are essentially the same design this doesn't make any sense

  Secondly the judging panel say that manufacture cost is a key factor, which is fair enough, but why choose the winner they have when that design has lots of small and larger parts to manufacture? just because it's made of wood surely doesn't make it that much easier to make

  Lastly, why bother having a criteria that the whole thing must be adjustable when the judging panel is going to just ignore that? they might as well have just said it would be nice to be adjustable, but not that important

  Sorry for being negative but this whole challenge has been a farce. Congratulations to those who won and enjoy your canoes

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  Alexey over 10 years ago

  congrats to the winners

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  Keith C. over 10 years ago

  Congradulations to the Winners!! But....I believe that the judges should really have read they're own rules..."Your design needs to include: the mounting system to the canoe, the rotating system for the rod holder and the rod holder itself." ...(2) of the designs picked did not adhere to these specifications. Great designs by everyone....but poor and misleading rules and judging.

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  Branko Stokuca over 10 years ago

  Congrats to all.

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  Andrea Garuti over 10 years ago

  I am very glad that my work has been appreciated by the jury, giving me the chance to win my second challenge in GrabCAD.
  I'm not a fisherman. Thank you very much my friend Andrea Benati practicing competitive sports fishing since he was a child and gave me valuable advice to develop my idea in tune with the needs and mindset of a fisherman. Congratulations to the other winners!

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  Ivo Alberti over 10 years ago

  Sono anch'io sospreso del premio che ho ricevuto...
  Sono d'accordo con quanti hanno detto che il progetto di alcuni dei premiati non rispondeva alle regole richieste del challege ( tra i quali in mio ) per quanto riguarda la regolazione , tra le altre cose il pezzo che ho portato doveva essere un transitorio...mah
  probabilmente era destino , sono altresi d'accordo che la giuria ha lasciato fuori dei bei progetti , anche se ad onor del vero , bisogna dire che diversi sono impegnativi sotto l'aspetto dell'investimento dei componenti , pur essendo molto interessanti .
  Ducis in fundo , aldilà del ritardo , la giuria si è inventata un sesto premio ( e per me va bene ) ma che non era contemplato , probabilmente per non lasciarmi fuori , visto che risultavo tra i primi 5 ...:DDD , scusate il mio inglese , ma ho cercato di essere obbiettivo , complimenti agli altri vincitori ...

  I am also sospreso award that I received ...
  I agree with those who said that the project of some of the winners did not meet the requirements of the rules challege (including in my own) with regard to the regulation, among other things, the piece that I took was to be a transitional .. . mah
  probably it was fate, I also agree that the jury has left out some good projects, although to be fair, it must be said that several are challenging in the aspect of the investment component, while being very interesting.
  Ducis least, beyond the delay, the jury has invented a sixth prize (s fine by me) but that was not contemplated, probably not leave me out, because risultavo among the top 5 ...: DDD, sorry for the my english, but I tried to be objective, congratulations to the other winners ...

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  Jonathan Brazeau over 10 years ago

  Just reading this now and I’m really disappointed to learn that the criteria was changed half way through. This is really not good practice IMO and I can only hope
  It’s not a frequent occurrence. It’s cool to see the feedback from the community and how people are speaking out, I would have to agree with the overall sentiment that this challenge definitely has some issues, and that has nothing to do
  With my designs not being chosen. Of course I know I won’t be chosen every time no matter how amazing my submissions are, but when certain designs are chosen that don’t even meet the criteria proposed, you start to
  Really question if it’s worth it at all. Again, hopefully this challenge is a rare case.
  The main issues for me personally was that there was no mention of budget and only now we’re realizing that Trapper wanted the absolute bottom end budget wise, I think if we would have know this would have drastically changed most of our designs.
  Also, I have issues with the amount of “similar” or identical designs in this competition. I would like to know how a decision is made in cases where two designs are significantly similar. I won’t point out anyone in particular but there are a few examples in this competition. To me, in cases like this, I think date of posting should be heavily weighted in the decision making process and I think “first to post” should be considered as the winner even if second posters mods make for an overall better end product. The problem is that it’s not fair to put up a design and then have someone come along and just take a few days work to “improve” on it and then they get all the credit. I understand it’s nice to share etc. but this is a “COMPETITION”, it’s unfortunate but I’m seeing how private submissions might be a better route after all.

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