Here's a open question to all of ya on deleting the ranking system..Some of us take it very sportive when our ranks drop down..but for some it's kinda depression ,they get annoyed and which proves to be a breeding ground of envy and jealousy on top ranking fellow grabcadders.....So what's your opinion guys?
Its interesting how this is one of the most talked about issues on Grabcad, but Im not surprised at all that they don't want us to know how it works. I questioned one of the hierarchy here about it and the subject was avoided like the plague.
Does anyone here know what a "ghost profile" is?
if someone wants to sit around and make extra profiles to pad their stats let them. they are wasting their own time.
I'm not fully convinced that's the only reason they show up, but yes, for the people who do that of course it a waste. You don't actually gain anything from it.
Some very interesting points you make here Will, very interesting. I like the old Will before he was front page news. ;)
Hi Will, everybody is changing. I also change my opinions depending on the situation.
That is the part of our own evolution, we can't help it. I am just saying that one software is not able to rank people. If you want to rank people you need people for that. Have a good day Will.
Woooooow. This is very interesting to see.
But I understand Will, he is being payed for the job he does and you can't bite the hand that feeds you.
Hi Branko yeah I was interested in my rank when I was new to GarbCAD but since then ALI has showing me that rank is not important any more and since then I have change my ways and opinion thanx to ALI :))) Also I do not get paid anything that I do for GrabCAD I do it free as I love this site and that is my way of giving something back to GarbCAD and the community what they have giving me when I was new here and to CAD... Have a nice day mate //Handshake :)
(( THANZ TO ALI ))
Rank means nothing, it is just a number on your profile.
Well said ALI.....!!!
Yeah I have came to that conclusion now ALI
that it is only a number it is the members of this great community that makes this web site the best not the numbers beside your name :)))))
It was Pranav that changed my mind :)))))
Thank you for that link Aaron as now it is very much appreciated......
To show that RANK is not important to me.... Have a WICKED day LoL'ss
I think you have just answered a question that has been going on for so long now Branko with the ranking on GrabCAD. You would need a person to rank another person for there quality and for GrabCAD to do that would take a team of people working and evaluating all new uploads on a daily basis and that would just be to time consuming and cost to much to have this option. I think that is why GrabCAD has got the system they have for there ranking as a computer can tell how active a person is within the community. Branko I think you have just put the end to this long time debate about ranking.... Thanx mate I shall a great day you also mate //Handshake :)
Uh, Will, you appreciate a link that shows you are a hypocrite? You wrote how the ranking system does not work. Now that you have a high ranking you have changed your mind. I'm not sure that is something that supports your stance on the subject. You really really need to read things closely on here. The long time debate will be over when the system is changed, and then you can stop trying to convince everyone how great it is. As of yet you haven't actually made any points as to how the system helps the users. So far all you're doing is.....well, we know what you're doing.
Let's leave this upto the GC Staff. They must have better plans for it.
Untill now all changes are Good. :D So I trust them. :)
I could not agree more Sudhir!!
By the way happy Birthday mate //handshake
;D thanx William..
I remember one day Someone from GC Staff commented on a post on same topic that they had something more interested coming. :D I'm waiting.
@sudhir .:D :D..U dont say :p :P
I remember that also and same as before I can't wait tho see it.
Yip Sudhir GrabCAD always has the best interests for us the community so what ever they do and when ever they do it I know it will be for the best and they will always get my full support.....
Hi Venkatasubramanian when I was new to the site I wanted to get my rank up but now that I am here there is more important things on this site than the ranking system.
I can take it or leave it as it is only a number next to your name now!!! ..... but I do think it is good for new members as it shows that they are active members within the site and you can watch them rise up through the ranks with there commitment and effort for GrabCAD
Yea agree :)
Yea but It's a source of depression for some people who realize that their rank s dropping..So it 'd lead to adverse effects :/
Hi and good morning to you Aaron.
First of all I will say for the last time rank is not important to me as it is only a number, I am here to gain knowledge and share what little knowledge I have @ this time with others than I can help share work and learn from other people work. My rank has dropped not that much but still the same dropped over the past 4-6 weeks. In your work Aaron your company has a rule book that you follow to there specifications, the same applies to GarbCAD on the ranking system so I would suggest to you instead of being jealousy of other members ranks I would put more effort on your behalf to follow GrabCAD rules on ranking and that way you will move on up the ranks as this number seems very important to your self for a reason I can not understand. It would suit you better if you took a leaf out of Voibor books who has took my rank to a lower level but instead of insulting him about it I take my hat of to him and congratulate him for his effort on getting to that position as he has followed GrabCAD rules to get there and I take my hat of to any other member that puts the effort in. My rank has nothing to do with my blog so yet again you are taking this to a personal level and for you to insult my CAD skills I think that is not very professional of your self if you had show constructive criticism then that would have been a better approached taking in to account that I have been only use CAD for less than a year and I still have 3 years left in education before I go out to industry, that gives me more than enough time to reach that high bar that I have set out for my self to achieve and when I have more knowledge and skills with CAD that your self (( BELIEVE ME I WILL )) then I will not insult your work but give you guidance and constructive criticism to achieve better results with your work. Aaron I am sorry to inform you but I regret that this will be my last message to you on this matter about ranking on GrabCAD as you have chosen to take this to a personal level with your jealousy rather than maintaining a professional approach to this debate and question. I do how ever look forward to future questions and debates with your self as long as they remain on a professional level and not a personal level. In saying all that I wish you a very good and product day with your work and family.
You really need re-read comments and fully understand their meaning before replying to them. You've taken what I say out of context and your overly defensive essay approach shows you don't really understand the premise of what most us are saying about this topic. I mentioned nothing of your skill, maturity level, or lack of integrity. Nothing I say is ever personal, only factual especially when someone involved is a blatant hypocrite. Then, you WILL BE called out on it. As far as calling me jealous or unprofessional, I will only ever take it with a grain of salt coming from you. I will make one small presonal remark although factual. You are a little young to be taken seriously when commenting on such matters as jealousy, professionalism, and integrity. Your responses shows that.
As far as you getting better at CAD than me, ((I HOPE YOU DO)) I take that as a great compliment for you to use me as your personal bar to set a goal by. Thank you!
I did read what you wrote, you just don't understand my reply. How about this...do you think you deserve to have a high rank? Im not sure many people here understand how biased your input is here.
Let's take away your weekly blog and drop your rank down to around 900 and see if your attitude changes. ;)
But, It is only a number.....
I think it is more important for the quality of models you upload, renders help others on the site and getting help back and for the GrabCAD staff to keep this site the best for us the community....
Will, you yourself have admitted that its only a number now that you are so high in the ranks. If you weren't so high up it wouldn't be "just a number" to you. You would still be striving to do better but never figuring out why you can't.
Aaron it is only a number to me I have all ready stated that!!!..... I do strive ever day to do better with my CAD and for you to turn around and tell me that I can't is a little bit of an insult as you don't know what I work on or what I am working on as I work night and day and ever spare min I have with CAD to achieve the high level I have set out for myself to achieve in life. If you would have notice the number of models I now have in my profile rather than a number next to my name that means nothing you would also have notice I have took a lot of models off my profile that I did not think were of good quality for other members to download......
Aaron if you would have too the time also read the answer I left before hand and not just put a comment in you would have understood this
((( but now that I am here there is more important things on this site than the ranking system.
But, It is only a number.....
I think it is more important for the quality of models you upload, renders help others on the site and getting help back and for the GrabCAD staff to keep this site the best for us the community.... )))
The ranking system sucks. Nobody knows exactly how that works. In my opinion the one who uploads the most quality 3D models should be higher on the ranking scale. The name of this site is grabCAD. Notice the CAD word in it. This is why we are all here because of these CAD files, everything else comes into second place. Sure there are tutorials and questions but we can all say that the best way to learn how to model something is by looking at other people work (download the model and walk trough the features that the fellow engineer / designer used). We could also notice that some people uploaded maybe 3-4 models and they are ranked pretty high (somebody even mentioned something about it in the Q/A section). Also I have noticed that there are people modeling trash like bananas and some other things and you can find them pretty high in the ranking. Somethings are just laughable. Don't get me wrong, the ranking system means sh.t to me since I am not getting any benefits from it, so I agree that it should be taken out since we don't have proper parameters for real ranking.
I don't think deleting the ranking system is fair. A better explanation on how it works would be fine, but deleting it no.
Some people worked hard to get a high rank and for that they had job offers from companies around the world.
Some people didn't work hard for it and still they got the higher ranks. I believe that there are many people who think that this ranking is not fair, especially because nobody knows what is the criteria for ranking.
I do agree though, an actual explanation of what purpose the ranking system has would be great.
What company would hire someone because they have a high ranking on Grabcad? If we as users don't know what the ranking system means, how does an outside company know that ranking means? Sounds like a flaky company if that's how they find an engineer.
what is the system rating; the person, the persons work, their contributions??
I also think that Aaron.
The number of files you upload in a certain time and the amount of time you spend on Grabcad. This is all about quantity, not quality here.
I agree 100% with aaron
Hi Aaron it is about GrabCAD's rules on the ranking system you can not go changing your company rules so it is down to GarbCAD to chance the rules if they see fit....Right now they don't so yeah it is about the time and effort you put in to this community that makes your rank better and not about the quality.... maybe in the future GrabCAD might change the way they do it but until then I would think it better to deal with the situation for the better of the community .... I hope you have a great and very productive day //Handshake :)
What is the ranking system ranking exactly?
Model quality, model quantity, seniority, willingness to help, personality, something else, a combination?
How do you rate people?
Uploads (quantity, not quality) and the amount of time you spend on the website. It has been proven many times.
I agree with branko..Soemtimes It becomes addiction for some ppl to compulsively upload models each and everyday (which I had been doing for the past 3 months)...It has turned out to be an obsession for me :/..
Hi Chris there is a number of different factors that come in to account with ranking but to be honest only the GrabCAD staff know exactly how it is calculated...... I do know the more you are active within the community, helping people, Q&A's uploads, comments, rendering pretty much everything to do with GarbCAD gets took in to account but we will never know how it is calculated. I hope this helps you a little? :) Have a nice night mate.
I am all for the quality. I could spend every day on grabCAD uploading models that take you not more than 15 min. I could model apples, oranges, cubes, bolts and screws and all other insignificant parts and I could maintain a higher rank. I could also spent more time commenting about every part that shows up, but that is just unfair towards people who contribute by uploading complex parts and assemblies. Quality takes time.
Maybe its better that the ranking is not visible to anyone except the administrators?
It has its good points like Manolis pointed out and then it has its bad points that Venkatasubramanian pointed out but us as a community are better than to let a number determine how we are as engineers/designers we are here to learn and share with each other help and get help share our new projects and be glad we have such great site that we can do all of the above.
So you would take a job offer from a company that likes you because you have a high ranking?
Since we all agree that the ranking system has a lot of flaws that means that some people are not ranked properly. That means that there are people that have been damaged by this ranking. Some people are high up in the rank and they are being hired by the companies because of that. But we can all see by ourselves that some people don't deserve to be in these positions and they have been given a job because of it.
Very true, but the people I have talked to who are hiring from this site are actually smart about it. When I started getting solicited for work because of my involvement here I started questioning them as to how they found me.
First I have to say that most of them though the ranking was ridiculous based on the quality they saw. The hiring people expected to see great work based on the ranking they saw or visa versa, but they were just as confused as we are. What they did do was search for models that were relevant to their project and start researching profiles from there. However, they did also say that it would have been easier to find a prospective engineer had the ranking system made any sense. I guess I'm just getting lucky to get hired by the smart ones.
Yea true...I agree with Branko..I am in rank #20..but I personally feel very guilty about that 'cos most models out there are of higher quality than my models....So I urge the gcstaff to substitute some other system in place of it..or better delete it..
Aaron I will not be taking a job for another 3 years and buy then I hope to have gained the knowledge with CAD for me to pick my employer rather than the employer pick me due to my hard work and commitment to CAD...... Every day is a wonderful day that you learn more and more and one day I want to share what is in my heart and mind with others with my engineering and knowledge.
When you do ever get to that point in the professional world you will realize it is far better to be hunted than the hunter. Hunters hunt because they are starving. The hunted are such because they are the prize!
At a wild speculative guess, I would say that a ‘ghost profile’ is a second profile that someone creates in order to download and ‘like’ their own models and give positive feedback to their own contributions. Now that I come to think of it, it sounds like an interesting idea…
If the ranking system were to be disclosed then people would tend to ‘work the system’. They would provide the kind of content that gave then a high ranking. This might be a good idea if the system were carefully designed to promote the kind of contributions desired. The same can be said for the ‘Badges’.
:) Good call and I was just curious if I was the only one that saw this was happening. Yes, it is an interesting idea, and there are LOTS of ways to work the system here. Pretty sad that some people are that obsessed with it. Interestingly enough though almost all of the ghost profiles don't have any activity. This leads me to think they are made for other reasons.......
I had forgotten you asked this question.... :)