My opinion is that all the answers you recieve to this question will be biased to users preference.
As you can already see peoples perspective on proE is different due to their use.
I learnt SW & ProE at university. Used mainly Inventor and SW in industry.
They are all very similar although detailed functions are different. All you need to learn is how the software likes it's buttons pressed.
I also would'nt advise self learning unless you use appropriate books - too many bad habbits can be picked up from online user tutorials.
So my answer to you is it is more a personnel preference. What type of designs are you looking to do? A large factor is your location too.
Hello All, everybody has made valid points. I think it’s worth pointing out that the solutions mentioned so far Creo Parametric (Proe), Solidworks and Inventor are all feature history based modellers. History based 3D require a good level of training and if models are constructed well can be very powerful in terms of embedded design intent and the ability to make changes using the relationships between features. The flip side of this is that many models are created badly and the history tree quickly becomes a negative not a positive.
Why is this? Well you can start to break the model tree by modifying features that have dependencies that you do not want to be effected. It’s even worse if you are trying to modify historical data that was created by somebody else. It can also be difficult to work on 3rd party imported data because the history tree that is required to make changes can’t be transferred from system to system. The imported model becomes dumb and changes revert back to simple Boolean. The other inherent problem with these systems is that the size of the models and assemblies become very large files based on all the history that is stored in addition to the geometry. This makes large assemblies difficult to handle.
As a result of this most of the vendors are starting to introduce direct modelling and modification capabilities in order to address the issues mentioned above. A solution that has not yet been mentioned is Creo Elements / Direct, formerly known as CoCreate. Creo Elements / Direct is a pure direct modeller that has no history tree at all. So what are the benefits, it’s mature stable technology, easy to learn and use, easy to make changes at any stage of the design process, treats imported data as native as it does not require a history tree, very good with large assemblies due to the small (none history based) file sizes, you can apply parametric and design intent if as and when required. There are many videos on YouTube about this technology and in my opinion its was released 20 years ahead of its time. Just my opinion after 20+ years in the CAD PLM business, happy to discuss, regards to all, Joe @joemcburnie
In my opinion creo elements is nothing but a poorly implemented STEP file modificator. IT's like updating a Book by opening a PDF of the original and using the pdf tools to edit it. It looks ugly in the end and there is no "original" to go back to if something goes terribly wrong. But I have not doubt that it will get better with time. Maybe finally there will be a common format that everyone will model to.
In my opinion it takes longer to make models in PRO/E verus doing the same models in Inventor or Solidworks. On the other side PRO/E is more powerful.
But overall most 3d cad softwares are much alike.
@ Sudhir Gill - "well more than 50% of market uses SolidWorks " is there a place where i can find this info? Or is it just an estimation? I´m just curios!
well i would do that in CATIA rather than these two....
well could you please Explain how PRO/E is more powerful?
@ sudhir try opening a assembly with 500-1000 parts in pro/e and then in solidworks,
if you could measure speed by number of clicks made to same model alternatively in sw and pro/e,pro/e will be least of the two,unless someone is beating behind the bushes.
@sudhir was CATIA in your question?
anyways it took 5 years for companies to change from catia V4 to catia V5 still transformation is not completed,automotive companies are leaning towards Unigraphics NX. thats why you don't find catia V6.
pro/E competes with catia on upper level and with solidworks on lower level.
well more than 50% of market uses SolidWorks and who is talking about automobile industry... Solidworks is extensively used in Medical, tool dies, sheetmetal etc. and Designing doesn't only constitute Auto Mobile Designing.
the big thing... a software is as good as the user... :P
difference is that u cannot learn Pro-E by yourself just by hit and trial... but Solidworks can be learned by that... also the internet is full of learning resources for the Solidworks but not for Pro Engineer...
Thats not true. Offcourse you can learn pro/E yourself from scratch. Or you can start by going thru the tutorials that comes along with the software. SW might be easier to adopt if you havent used 3d cad before, but saying you can learn pro/E yourself is ...well, "not correct" :-) Btw, just for fun i googled "pro/E tutorials" and got 53.000.000 hits, while "Solidworks tutorials got" 5.410.000 hits. It doesnt say anything about the quality and the real number of tutorials, but i bet you can find a lot for pro/E if you want . And, to sw defense, when you look here at grabcad , there are waaaaay more people activ on Sw than pro/E. And Sw is probably also the most growing 3d cad at the time.
yes, you are right.
Not true, there is a huge amount of resources in the PTC University in presicionlms.ptc.com, of course is not for free but for a $100 bucks per year sounds like a good deal.
u r right PTC is wrost. and i heard that they are fully flooped by relesing their new era of Pro-e called Cero.
My opinion is different then yours, but you are right partially. Now I am a SolidWorks user, because Im using SolidCAM, but I was 8 years PROE user, now Creo 2.0. I will tell you couple of things about this software. This is my opinion, so don't hold it against me. As I mentioned before I'm a Creo user with 8 years of experience, so the first thing I notice when I move into a SolidWorks is that is very easy to adapt into a new environments. Everything is the same, same methods, same name for features, and so on. In a first view they have the same capabilities. Something is better in SolidWorks, something is better in Creo. And I have to say, Creo is much faster in every aspects, they dont have a bug. SolidWorks have a lot of bug, and almost every day he crash a lots of time. I hate that.
Creo 2.0 >>>CAD>>> SolidWorks
Creo 2.0<<<<< SolidWorks/SolidCAM
Creo 2.0>>>Less bugs>>>SolidWorks
Creo 2.0>>>Much expensive then>>>SolidWorks
Creo 2.0<<<<>>Surface Modeling>>>SolidWorks
Centanly, not all factor were taken into account, but lets sum all of this. PTC have a bad politics with "hiding" a knowledge for Creo/ProE. All the literature was only available to buyers of the product, also the training course are very expensive, so that is a mistake, especially because of the competitiveness in the market. SolidWorks conquer the market with cheaper product with los/mid complexity of a product (I must mensioned, try to load some assembly with more that 2000-3000 part in SolidWorks. HA! No way! Try in Creo with 5000? Peace of cake!), a lots of eLiterature, everyone could get them, better marketing,...And thats a results of todays market and SolidWorks distribution. Great work for them, I must admit :) Now im a SolidWorks/SolidCAM user, all because of market :) you always must play with stronger player!
I work with "pro e" and "solidworks"
Anyone can express an opinion what good and not good depending on what he used to working with.
Most claim that "Solidworks" easier to use. but the real answer is that "pro e"/"creo" suitable for heavy jobs for better file management called "Windchill PDM Link" It is very different from solidworks PDM.
"pro e"/"creo" has the best tool called "Skeleton" skeleton help with large assemblies and top down design that no other have.
I'll add and tell that "Solidworks" Guys worked for "pro e"
Then established "Solidworks"
ha ha ha Dude..U should be kidding....The more U know about proE,the more faster U can make models..and Yea..proE s d best among all d CAD Softwares til date..!!
Venkatasubramanian in which way is Pro-E more powerful than SolidWorks? Do you examples to illustrate this?
Pro-E To much hard then many other in market. today Solidedge and Solidworks are most Powerfull CAD Pakages. and also both adopted by various small n highend Industries.
At the moment I must learn basics of the Pro-E.
Very simple project. To be redraw Pro-E files to SolidWorks.
The root of problems goes from stupid drafter, who has been drawn the Pro-E drawings.
It's awful way of construction. No sense, no conscience.
Please, be smart in creations of trees! What if Pro-E is bigger than SolidWorks?
Why so many companies (USA, Canadian etc.) were started to move from Pro-E to SolidWorks?
I have no clue.
I'm sorry for my shitty English. I'm from east Europa. :-(
Hello, The most important thing is that you can make everything with one program. Design, strenght analyses, kinematics, manufacturing and much more.
I have been modelling in Standard AutoCAD since the beginning and even though it is limited in the applying dynamics to models its still my favourite.
However due to demand at work I have no choice and I am now using Solidworks which is a great thing, but Joe is right about the history based features in that it can take you a great deal of time to solve problems (probably longer to solve than to create designs) and as in a lot of instances just when you solve one problem a related problem can occur due to this remedy .
The only way round is to understand the history based software and how the part was created and that if you alter the design in the future may affect other geometry which was used to create other features, in other word its a bit like a game of chess - you have to think 6 to 7 moves ahead.
But at least your given the chance to reverse engineer your models whereas in Standard AutoCAD once you turn off for the night the model you saved is the model you will get in the morning
From my experience I think the CAD software is dictated by what you are actually designing. I design consumer products and house-wares and Solidworks seems best for that. No 1000+ part assemblies. On the other hand, Creo/Proe are best for larger scale projects like Boeing 777's. So one is not better than the other, they just have their own applications.
I have used Pro Engineer for 20 years, It is a very powerful program and you can not learn this in weeks or a couple years. It will blow your mind how you can develope and build anything in this software. I have used Solidworks and Autocad and the constraints are not there. Pro makes you think and can make your job easier. I build complete libraries for companies and set them up. People say its hard or it's difficult. It's not, it take time or a good guru to help you with problems or train you. I have build complete family nested tabled assemblies that had 27 main assemblies with drawings that took 6 month that would take many designer years to complete if they did one unit at a time, there is the power.
I think that the best version of PRO/E was PRO/E-2001.
It was so stable...
Simple, never down & so fast. (compare to other CAD software in that time)
After that time, Wildfire or CREO is totally crap!
Bugs are increased... User Interface is strange.
Anyway, CREO has exact parametric feature still and its legacy codes from UNIX era.
(ASCII based config files, small modules, etc.)
It means I can understand its structure logically & easily.
CATIA throw away its legacy codes after V5.
SOLIDWORKS works only in MS-WINDOWS environment.
I am working on solidworks since last three years. I think solidworks interface is easier than pro-e and it is suitable only for medium scale industries where cost of software package and complexity is the main factor. Nut in case of pro_e one can handle any complex geometry with least errors than solidworks. Every software having some ups and down but for me solidworks is the best software tool.
I have used ProE/Creo for 4 years, before that I used 2d AutoCAD and UG. The computers I have been using haven't been high powered so I often have the program close randomly.
Creo is great for modeling and creating assemblies. It also has specialized modules for sheetmetal which is pretty amazing.
My job involves creating train wheel models for CAM and generating equipment assemblies for wheel forging. We use family tables alot and they can generate similar models and assemblies quickly. The good thong about Creo is that you can use a .txt file to regenerate parameters in models and assemblies, you change the text file regenerate the model and the parameters are updated.
As with all 3d models how you create the models affects it's changeability or editing, with Creo you can change references so that you delete unwanted features without starting over.
If youre creating one off custom jobs 2d is better.
When I started using ProE I thought UG was better. The family tables once you get used to them are great, although the spreadsheet style tables I used in UG are probably better now than 12 years ago.
The program you choose will depend on your usage and budget.
The support from PTC in Australia is usually good.
If you have any particular questions about Creo PTC have a forum you could join.
Used pro-e for years on a unix system fast and some powerfull functikns. Switched to solidworks and must say kts user interface is much....Much better. Sworks is better for top down assy. New company im with is switching to Creo tbis pa kage is crap. Not user friendly have to macro everything. I have no problems modeling anything in Solidworks even tbough it iz a l I te buggy zometimes at least tbeg losten to ther uzers and have much better gold partners in the induztry for add on functionality
Programming in the CAM is sometimes quite difficult. For example, SW is simpler. After all, after a while all you can do. Training and training again.
Pro E is much more complicated than other CAD Softwares and it demands a considerably long time to get used to. If I talk about its functionality, it's just the same. All CAD softwares more or less perform same operations, just that commands are located differently. Last but not the least, software is as good as its user.
I agree with the first floor much! When heard of the saying like one software is difficult or not ,we should know it is relative.If you have grasp the skill of one or two,then you use other but for the former ,you will feel hardly adopt to it,especailly its interface and commands. In the company,all of the engineers use the same software will speed up their work's progress!
I think ProE is quite fast if we talk about 3d modeling. Learning about advance detailing and assemblies take more time then e.g. AutoCad. But when more projects you make then more you know.More time, more accelerate. Sorry for grama : )
my opinin is that proe is realy powerful cad software from other cad software coz its perfect engineering software but other is not.
PRO E, more popular in China
I have been working with Creo 2.0 for about 2 years now. But I used to work on Autodesk Inventor Professional.
In my opinion:
Creo is best to work with surfaces and more complicated geometries. Because has a lot of powerfull 3D tools.
But it's a non friendly user software.
The 2D drawing on Creo it's no good.
And no Cad libraries on Creo? No design accelerator? WTF???
So if you whant a good (expensive) 3D tool to work on surfaces and for mold making you need to check Creo or Pro-e.
If you whant a good mechanical cad software for complex project you need to check Autodesk Inventor, It's very easy to use. It has a lot of libraries, very usefull design acelerators, very easy to use 2d module.
So I think its up of what you want to.
thanks guys for your answers!
I am doing a research about which 3d CAD CAM and CAE software is the best and why!
albeit i know u cant say that which one is the best! cause each of them has own features
but I need some advantages about using ProE
Ohh i did an assignment like this for Uni :)
pro-e is more diffifult than 3D cad...